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    • binder
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    Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 5:36 PM

     

    The FIA should hang there heads in shame, as yet again they have favoured Ferrari

    against all other teams.They denied Lewis a fair victory when he did nothing wrong again.Lewis overtook Kimi using the escape road when he had a choice of causing an accident or using the escape road which is there for this purpose.He then gave back the position as he should then overtook on the pit straight so no advantage was gained.Everyone who watched the race saw this so how come the stewards didn't.Its about time something was done about this as people/sponsors will pull out and Formula 1 will not exist as a sport if this continues. 

     

    • jskater
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    Re: Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 5:59 PM

     I quite agree with all of the above. Right now I could'nt care less if F1 did not continue as a sport. On the back of deciding to delay Massa's penalty til after the race in Valencia, this decision beggars belief, particularly as Kimi turned in on Lewis and his trip down the escape road was to avoid an accident. As Chris Harris once said, "Sometimes I wish Formula 1 would just sod off".

    • Pauldalg
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    Re: Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 6:03 PM

    Incredible. The championship is fixed.

     Hamilton - drove into back of Raikonnen in Canada, rightly penalised. Next race given drive through, fairly harsh. Repasses Raikonnen, as per the rules he clearly gave way, then took the lead legally - penalised 25 seconds (why 25 seconds?).

     Massa (through the Ferrari team) dangerously out into path of another car in the pitlane, only a team penalty.

    Raikonnen - exhaust hanging off, no problems.

    Renault - caught with another team's technical data - no penalty. MacLaren £50m fine.

     We want more exciting racing, then penalise the only driver who has a real go at overtaking.

    Very, very disallusioned now. I hope Hamilton appeals, and is rightly reinstated.

    • micarr
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    Re: Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 6:42 PM

    The sponsors need to pay attention to what is happening in F1.

      The FIA is doing their very best to ensure that fans such as myself who have watched the sport since they were young kids turn off the televisions on F1 weekends.  The sponsors are paying phenomenal amounts for their product placements and logos on cars, but it is wasted money if the fans, who are the ones whose purchasing decisions are most likely to be influenced by this sponsorship, are no longer watching F1.

    I was going to stay home to watch the Grand Prix coverage next weekend, but now I shall go to Silverstone to watch the 1000 kms race.     

     

    • Ubizzle
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    Re: Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 8:09 PM

    I cannot agree more with the above statements. I have supported McLaren my whole (admittedly short) life, and have believed that Formula One was the pinnacle of motorsport, and alongside Football at the pinnacle of all sports.

    I now find it hard to believe how disgracefully biased this sport has become. The FIA may have done many beneficial things in the past to make motorsport safer, but right now it is turning F1 from a sport to a farce. I find it hard to believe he got a penalty for this in the first place, let alone 25seconds where he may have gained a tenth or two at most. Had he crashed into Raikkonen he would probably have got dropped back on the grid for the next race.

    What should he have done? Exactly what he did.

    What would FIA like to have seen him done? Give Massa 2nd place, undeservedly.

    Truth is, Raikkonen couldn't handle the conditions (and i do think he's an amazing driver, one of my favourites on the grid) in his Ferrari and Hamilton had already been pushed off the track by Raikkonen. 

    Jus when F1 was recovering from Spygate and Mosley's hanky panky and finally being recognised as acceptable again. FIA have to go and ruin it again, and pull the dark cloud back over Formula One. It's been a sad year for all involved.

    • Lapps
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    Re: Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 8:36 PM

    I also believe  that this is yet another instance of "Ferrari International Assistance, but this one is easy to prove. What was LH's lap time on that lap and on the following lap? Did he gain 25 secs or not. (I don't think so!

    Not the most blatant decision though. That still remains the banning of the (previously legal) Mass Damper a few days before the summer test ban at a time when Renault were set to beat Ferrari for the championship.

    But they will never stop. Ferrari and the FIA are joined at the hip. We need to find a way of bringing down this house-of-cards before our sport is destroyed. It is interesting to note that one of the Stewards who made the decision lists a 5th place in the WRC Rally of Argentina as the peak of his  Motor Sport experience!!!

    • PhilM4000
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    Re: Lewis Hamilton/FIA

    Sep 07, 2008 9:41 PM

    FIA chief Max Mosely the offspring of Oswald Mosely, an evil fascist, supporter of Hitler.  Max Mosely, freely admitted paying women to then perform acts of depravity with them.

    Under UK employment law when an unfair disadvantage is applied to an individual from an ethnic minority it is up to the institution to prove it is justified otherwise it is deemed automatically discrimination.  I've raced, I've read the rules, I've seen the footage.  Lewis has been treated very unfairly. 

    In my mind its not rocket science to see whats going on here.  I for one will now boycott all FIA events until in my mind this injustice is corrected. 

     

    • Le Chef
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    F1 is no longer a sport

    Sep 07, 2008 10:04 PM

    I get up at 6 am here in the USA to watch an action packed race where Hamilton won fairly and squarely only to lose the race because of inept officials. Maybe I should just save my energy for the far more entertaining spectacle of NASCAR. The FIA might exonerate itself if it over-turns the stewards ruling. But the reality is we are looking at the last days of the Roman Empire. The organization is run by a cross-dressing pensioner and "ably" supported by another pensioner who is also a midget. I know it's desperate but I suspect even Dubya and *** could do a better job of running the FI than Max and Bernie. I can also offer Bernie some advice when it comes to bringing back a Grand Prix in the States. Don't bother. We're not interested in having races won on the track and then stolen though the ineptness of officials and then "fixed" in the courts of appeal.
  • Re: F1 is no longer a sport

    Sep 07, 2008 11:31 PM

    "Lewis overtook Kimi using the escape road when he had a choice of causing an accident or using the escape road which is there for this purpose.He then gave back the position as he should then overtook on the pit straight so no advantage was gained"

     Sorry but I disagree.

    You say that Lewis gave back the position but it's not true. He simply made a zig zag close to Kimi. Lewis overtook Kimi just because of the high speed he had after using the escape road instead of the chicane.

    Later Kimi went out on his own, but I wonder how you could defend Lewis. F1 needs more overtaking, but not using the escape road! I really think this McLaren self-pity is becoming pathetic...

  • Re: F1 is no longer a sport

    Sep 07, 2008 11:54 PM

     Other FIA acronyms

    Ferrari Imbeciles Association

    Ferrari Investment Arm

    Kimi harshly, but fairly, shoved Lewis off the road who did get in front by cutting the last part of the (stupidly reprofiled, by the way) chicane, however he let Kimi repass. You can't say Lewis overtook because he had more momentum if he himself just got overtaken on a straight. He overtook because he was braver on the brakes and took a big dive up the inside into La Source.

    Remember when Schumacher won at Spa despite barging Hill all over the shop? If that was fine, why isn't this?

    If some of you feel disillusioned and let down, imagine how I feel having spent loads of my hard earned money on a ticket for the Singapore GP. I'm not sure I want to watch.  

  • Re: F1 is no longer a sport

    Sep 08, 2008 5:51 AM

    As I saw the incident at the Bus Stop chicane, coming into the corner Lewis was right on Kimi's tail.  After the corner, as they crossed the Start-Finish line ... Lewis was right on Kimi's tail.  So it's hard to see how Lewis gained an advantage.

    Sure, he bailed out of the chicane and took to the escape road in order to prevent a collision.  Then he lifted off the throttle and allowed Kimi to re-pass him.  Which brings us back to the Start-Finish line where Lewis is once more on the tail of Kimi's Ferrari.

    I don't see anything in that that merits a penalty.  For Gods sake, I'd have thought the FIA & Bernie should be trying to encourage racing, not neuter it.

    Personally, I think Kimi then went on to *** up La Source in much the same way that Massa let Lewis past in the last few laps at Hockenheim.  And if I was the Ferrari team I'd be roasting Kimi for how he drove between the Start-Finish line and the apex at La Source ... because that's where Kimi lost it.  He left a massive gap down the inside, and frankly it would have been rude for Lewis not to overtake then.

    Lewis overtook Kimi because Kimi didn't drive well into La Source, not because Lewis missed the chicane.

    • sierra
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    Re: F1 is no longer a sport

    Sep 08, 2008 7:04 AM

    The offence apparently was against the following rule - didn't seem to apply to everybody:

    "g) The race track alone shall be used by the drivers during the race."

     

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