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Sep 18 2008

A secondhand dog could be for life

James Ruppert

Your life savings seem set to disappear into some global black hole, and the high street Bungling Bank is about to merge with the local butchers – so you’d be right in thinking that things aren’t too clever down your local car showroom.

Vauxhall Even so, I heard from a friend of mine who works at such a place that they’d managed to shift sixteen new cars last month, which he thought was pretty decent considering the present circumstances.

Unfortunately for him, he also admitted the franchise has to flog sixty new motors a month just to break even.

I’m sure you’ve seen the stats – car sales down 18.6 percent in August year-on-year – and even the previously imperious BMW has taken a hit. But what you won’t see, because nobody bothers collating the data, is the boom in knackered £300 Nissan Micra sales (up, let’s say, 15.2 percent) and the strong run on MOT borderline Cavaliers, which must be at least 23.2 percent up on last year. Yes, dogs are most definitely in.

My local bombsite has always insisted that any Herbert can sell a banger – if it’s cheap enough, someone will always buy. Even in good times the turnover can be quite spectacular with even a modest frontage shifting over 20 a week. Obviously if you’re selling at under £500 you’re looking to buy ‘em in at less than £100 – so it’s lowest-bidder auction fodder that gets hoovered up.

After a spring clean, bangers move quickly to those in search of wheels but nothing else. The combination of what passes for a forecourt and the implication that there may be a warranty of sorts is enough to reassure most buyers. In reality these cars only have to last a few months, but actually they tend to go on a lot longer than that.

The truth is that Bangers have never been better and there’s never been a better time to get into the credit crunch car business. For the trade, it’s time to drop the pinstripe and don the sheepskin: sub-prime Primera, anyone?

 

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

Comments

W124 September 18, 2008 9:45 PM

Can't beat a cheap old car...  I favour the stuff just above the true banger zone.  Whilst having my old Merc patched up today I noticed a white W124 E280 with 115000 miles on it, aircon, abs and all that.  Patchy history but excellent provenance (my mechanic described it as 'sound').  Price? Very, very cheap.   Cash would of course achieve a (very) substantial discount.  Nobody wants these lovely old things because of all this silliness with tax and petrol - most people have absolutely no idea pre-2001 cars still pay the old rate and they think you are making it up if you tell them! - they also don't see how cheap these cars are to insure or how the price of petrol is only really a huge problem if you do a lot of miles (or so I like to tell myself) - Still good news for us.  My plan to pick up a nice old Lexus continues apace.  Either that or a 735i or 740i.  Truly - we've never had it so good...

James Ruppert September 18, 2008 11:53 PM

I do agree that everything is really good, and the first BMW I ever drove was a 735 so I would want of those..I wold buy an E280 tomorrow to replace my Saab 9000, however I love a Lexus and I would be driving a Gs300 but the reserve was not met...J

W124 September 19, 2008 10:20 AM

The GS300's are top but I was going to wait till the facelift models (I think about S' reg) become truly cheap.  They have sat-nav as well as other lovely toys.  I once delivered a GS430 and it was genuinely fast.  Properly fast I'd say.  I think I really want an Mk1 LS though - I reckon the really good ones must be about to appreciate as they are almost all tatty now.  It would be interesting to run an old car (An E280 would be ideal) alongside the long term tests in the magazine just to see how reliable/expensive these motors are over a year or 6 months.  

James Ruppert September 19, 2008 11:27 AM

I think that old car thing may happen I've been on at them for years about this and actually a shed on the fleet would at least be interesting rather than changing the washer fluid again...J

W124 September 19, 2008 1:27 PM

It would be - the day to day reliability of modern cars is a bit dull to say the least.  It should be really.  Would you run said shed?  If not,  I volunteer myself.  

James Ruppert September 19, 2008 2:01 PM

I have already said too much and could well be shot. Watch this space and no it won't be me, I do though have four sheds already...J

W124 September 19, 2008 4:36 PM

I've only got one.  Running one on the fleet will make an excellent story though.  Old cars are, of course, green cars which makes it all the more relevant.  How does one get into motoring journalism by the way?  I'm a refugee from the music industry looking for something else to do, I've a creative writing qualification and a love of cars that I can't really make sense of...  

James Ruppert September 19, 2008 5:10 PM

Blimey that's a good question and I am sure there has been a thread or two on it here. Not the easiest way to make a living initially and not as well paid as you might think. Email me through my website: http://www.jamesruppert.co.uk and I will give you a more considered reply. You can tell me how to get into the music biz....J

W124 September 19, 2008 8:33 PM

Thanks very much.  I'll do so.  I hope they go for a nice old Merc.  

brinardi September 20, 2008 12:39 AM

There is a true joy in driving a banger. After my brother's Honda Accord failed its MOT (and was quoted an eye-watering £1500 to fix it by the Honda dealer!), I off-loaded it to a breaker and was able to pick up a 145,000 mile Hyundai Lantra Estate with a year's MOT for £350. My little brother raves about it and it has provided sterling service. Strangely enough I saw his old Accord on the road the other day, don't get me started on dealer's "service"...

James Ruppert September 21, 2008 7:57 PM

Hondas are great but a main agent involved is always going to be pricey, Korea is of course the new Japan and their stuff is very underrated at taking the miles..

dillonsamben September 22, 2008 6:37 AM

I gave up wasting countless thousands of £'s per year on new cars a goodly number of years ago.

The car I run now is a Citroen Xantia HDi estate 5 years ago, it had been banged front and rear but well repaired, it was 3 years old and was an ex lease car with 30,000 on the clock and cost me £3,000.

It has now done over 90,000 and hasn't cost me a penny apart from a few tyres and servicing.

It is never washed and never cleaned and is a travelling work horse and mobile dog kennel for my dogs Dillon Sam & Ben.

It is our only car now and owes us absolutely nothing and is brilliant, quite brilliant.

James Ruppert September 22, 2008 9:51 AM

That's a brilliant story and the right way to run a main car, which leaves money left over to spend on something interesting. Glad the dogs are happy in your dog. I am wondering whether re-writing Bangernomics would be a good thing in the current climate?

RobotBoogie September 22, 2008 3:33 PM

A chap who works for one of the industry data compilers told me last week that the used car market hotspot is £3-4K superminis.

James Ruppert September 22, 2008 4:57 PM

Oddly enough I was answering a reader question about just that sort of car and in his area there were on 6 cars that fitted the bill, so yes there is a run on precisely this sort of practical, cheap to run car. It's been this way for some time, but in the current prices are firmer and stock more scarce.

ESP deactivated September 22, 2008 6:16 PM

Great login, W124. I've been watching as the value of your automotive namesake continues to slide, and finding myself increasingly tempted to jump in. Late diesel W124s are still silly money - but decent petrol ones are getting ridiculously cheap considering the amount of car on offer. My only question is whether the E200 is as  underpowered as I fear it might be...

W124 September 23, 2008 2:59 PM

It is. Hold out for a 220 (but check the head gasket!!!) - the 280's are the best - 320 models absolutely cane petrol.  Don't forget the 190e - the W124 is based on the 201 and bits of the 123 that came before.  I think 190's are a bit of a trade secret.  They are, pound for pound, the 'best' Mercs of this era and the 2.6 is a thing of joy...  

I'm still getting an LS400 though - they are just something else

Bangernomics is the way forward!

bangertastic September 23, 2008 3:10 PM

Couldn't agree more. There are some cracking buys out there if you're willing to take on something with a big petrol engine. I've just bought a 1988 735i SE with 130k miles, full main dealer stamps and 6 months MOT for £400. Even the air con still blows cold. 20mpg isn't ideal but at that price you can't go wrong - it's a jo9y to drive even by modern standards. If it packs up I can just sell the decent bits on ebay and drag the rest down the scrappy and weigh it in.

W124 September 23, 2008 3:33 PM

Can we have an article in the magazine about how we might take full advantage of the current economic climate?  People don't really know the extent of the bargains that are out there - There is a real sweet spot in mid to late 90's (pre 2001) big, petrol powered motors (IS/GS300's, SLK's, S-Types, Aero's, 5's, 7's and the like) - nobody wants them yet they are serious motors.  I think it would go down a storm.  An page or two about desirable cars a 'unique series of global events' have suddenly made available most of us.  I think it might be a better use of space than yet another bloody Lamborghini going sideways...  Clearly the Bangernomics expert is the man for the job.  What say you?

Thanks, ESP for your kind comment earlier

dillonsamben September 23, 2008 5:25 PM

SERVICING

I have to admit I was more than a little GOBSMACKED !

My Citroen Xantia Hdi has just had a full annual service here at our local garage here in Montignac, France and I had to ask if the invoice was correct……………

The total bill, including all parts came to an utterly gobsmacking €82 or at today’s exchange rate £63, yes this was the total bill for everything, oil, filters, parts and labour.

So all of you out there in rip off over charging Britain, journey across the Channel and save yourself enough dosh for a weekend away and a bucket and spade as well and what is more, you have an absolute gut feeling that all the work has been done bloody well as well !

W124 September 23, 2008 5:34 PM

Sage, sage advice...

James Ruppert September 23, 2008 5:57 PM

Amazing value Francoservicing. There is actually a feature in the fact that many owners are now skipping services too. I am cheered that that there are so many of us who love the lure of a cheap but well equipped car.

bangertastic September 23, 2008 9:32 PM

Running a borderline scrapper is certainly the most interesting form of recycling I can think of. Another factor is also the use of second-hand parts. You feel obliged to fit brand new (expensive) parts to a new car (expecially if it's in warranty) but with a banger you can just get on ebay and find someone who's breaking a similar car, thus recycling again. From a personal perspective the most satisfying bit is running around in a huge luxo-barge that cost less than a weeks wages and seeing other people in their 7 grand pov-spec superminis suffering the onslaught of depreciation. Why!

Woland September 30, 2008 12:43 PM

Pick your luxo-barge with care though. Some are unreliable moneypits! I have a W124 and even that (though it will probably go on for ever), is quite capable of springing me the odd ouchsome bill now and again for some mundane component or other. I was quite miffed that the gearbox required a rebuild after only 300,000 kms...

W124 October 6, 2008 11:13 AM

Autocar running a nice old Merc - about time!

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