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Nov 27 2008

GM sharpens its axe

Steve Cropley

News that GM is on the point of killing its non-performing brands - Saab, Hummer, Pontiac and Saturn - as part of a bid to win the lion's share of the $25 Saab billion bail-out that the US Big Three is seeking from the US government looks the strongest confirmation yet that quite a few more marques will go west before the current economic conflagration is over.

Apart from the obvious (and highly regrettable) threat to livelihoods around the world, I can't help thinking that there are positive sides to this, if death of the duffers adds strength to those which still have legs.

Reviewing GM's brands, I'll be sorry if Saab goes because the original Swedish brand maintained its original, quirky character until the mid-1990s, when GM began strapping various bits of Vectra under the new 900 in 1993.

But that original character is now all gone, scuppered by confused thinking that has led over the years to the production of oddities like a Saab-badged version of the Subaru Impreza (the 9-2X, pictured) and is scheduled to lead to a re-badged Cadillac SUV.

The Saabs I remember (not least because there are quite a few of them driving around) are the 92 and 95 baby cars: I'd say GM hastened then marque's demise by not offering a small Saab, presumably because it's hard to make money with small cars.

Hummer, I couldn't care less about. Let it die. But I'll have a few regrets for Pontiac, whose GTO muscle-car was a big part of my car-loving childhood.

When US magazine Car & Driver published a cover story comparison between the Pontiac GTO and Ferrari GTO it made some powerful points about the sheer affordable performance available from Detroit at the time. However, Pontiac has made so many Godawful 'youth image' cars in the intervening years that its old performance image has long-since been obliterated.

And Saturn? Well, it was always profiled as the sensibly priced car for people who a) didn't have the courage to go into a showroom and ask for a discount, and b) gloried n the fact that they didn't know much about cars

The one regret I'll have for Saturn is that it was starting to look like a decent place for Opel/Vauxhall models to be sold, but I guess they'll survive.

The lesson, it seems to me, is that brands die for three reasons: if they're wrong for the times (Hummer);if their original brand values have been bastardised or scattered on the four winds (Saab, Pontiac); or if they set out deliberately to remove the emotion from car buying and ownership (Saturn).

It all seems obvious, which makes it the more amazing that various GM administrations spent huge research and marketing sums pulling in the wrong direction. Bet they'd quite like that money back, right now.

 

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About Steve Cropley

Road tester of 35 years and columnist of 15, Steve says he’s as much in love with cars today as he was on day one. “And not just the cars, but also the industry that makes ’em.”

Comments

TegTypeR November 27, 2008 3:04 PM

Your thoughts about Saturn echo my own.  I too think that the GM Europe products would have fitted in to GM US's portfolio quite well.  The only spanner in the works for that though is the euro cars are probably a bit too sophisticated for the Saturn brand image.

It's easier to be less emotional about brands you didn't grow up with, so as far as I am concerned Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer can definitely go.

Saab is a different matter though.  Even though they are effectively re-branded Vauxhall's now-a-days (with the exception of the 9-2x and 9-7x), they still have their own individual character.

Sadly though, I am having trouble seeing any other way out of the current quandary for GM.

230SL November 27, 2008 3:19 PM

Instead of going to all the effort of Saturn brand why not just sell Opels in the USA as Opels?

m_bowl November 27, 2008 4:07 PM

I'll be really sad if saab go - I was ferried around in these whilst growing up and was even brought home from the hospital in a saab on day one. My dad had a series of proper saabs - 95, 99s, 900s... The later ones were the first decently fast cars I ever travelled in and were so influentual in making me the petrolhead I am.

Talented engineers too - they even managed to make the Vauxhall based ones both handle and ride better than the donor cars.

Is there hope of a saviour?!?!

ZM November 27, 2008 4:13 PM

m_bowl, I really do hope so, but I fear it won't happen. I think there is a good chance that these brands will be dead and buried by the end of this year. The failure to turn Saab around really does illustrate perfectly the total incompetence of the management of GM over the last decade or so. As a brand, Saab has all the right 'ingredients' to prosper, so how the ~#'/ have GM managed to screw this up?

theonlydt November 27, 2008 4:59 PM

I'll be quite upset if Saab disappear. I've always liked them, they were quite individual and sometimes unique cars. Hopefully someone will buy Saab and turn them into a quality, exciting and dependable brand again - that makes money. GM should be shot for the way they have managed Saab and their own company.

TegTypeR November 27, 2008 5:00 PM

230SL  -  It's all about marketing.  It's easier to launch a decent range of cars with an existing brand name than it is to introduce a new name to the market.

Could be a good laugh though.  Badge them as Vauxhall and listen to every American pronounce the name differently!!

Zeddy November 27, 2008 5:43 PM

If Saab goes, then GM should be charged with crimes against the automobile fraternity.

ordinary bloke November 27, 2008 8:58 PM

Is there any realistic chance that the senior managers of GM, who are surely responsible for the current problems, will actually lose their jobs, bonuses and pensions as a result of their gross incompetance ?  My bet is that they will mostly still all be in position when the dust settles.

Phinehas November 27, 2008 9:56 PM

In Saab's case it really will be 'a big boy done it and runned away'.

GM and Ford have between them, with their megalomaniac ambitions and hopeless management, destroyed a large part of the world's automotive inheritance, including their own. It's a shame that those responsible will still be rich at the end of it while many a family will be homeless.

So, GM will be Buick, Chevy or Caddy. With Pontiac gone, that is the real style-setter out the window (well, they were at one time). What will be left of Ford?

Still at least the British can sympathise with the Americans seeing their brand names disappear in front of their eyes.

It's the Swedes I feel most for though.

reidbrand November 28, 2008 1:53 AM

Im a third generation auto worker at the canadian oshawa plant. Be sad to see the pontiac line go! The Canadian Parisienne we built and the US bound Bonnevilles in the 70's and 80's were some of the best built cars ever produced in North America. Pontiac finished last year with the Grand Prix, I remember seeing RHD's going to England back in the 60's with Chev dashes. Next to finish Dec. will be the Buick line which has been built in Oshawa since 1908, Camaro coming on tap for the Spring what a great built car. And please do not mention Vauxhall in Canada I remember the firenza, what a disaster and the Opal Cadillac frozen door locks and a bad engine Vauxhall I believe. Anyway, hope the company survives for my pension!

opelvaux November 28, 2008 9:23 AM

Its pretty sad what has happened with GM.  I remember reading a magazine article over 10 years ago.  Even back then it was saying GM was badly managed....but GM as usual didn't listen and the turnaround they are trying with build quality, product desirability all seems too late.  Then you have GME, if GMC were to let them work as one entity (now Opel/Vauxhall, SAAB, Caddilac and Cheverolet) for the European market i'm sure we'd have seen great products focused for that market.  Opel working with SAAB would have some great SAAB's on the market.  Hopefully they will realise the potential of SAAB if they'd just let them do what they do!!  Opel/Vauxhall/SAAB all working together would work

ZM November 28, 2008 10:26 AM

As I said on a previous thread here a couple of weeks ago, turning Saab around is surely not that difficult. The core products that need to be offered are:

1) A Saab 'Audi A3'. This should have been on the market back in 1997/8 just after the original A3 was introduced. It could quite easily have been based on the then new mk.4 Astra floorpan, which was quite a decent car. Of course, Saab engines would have to be used. By the time such a car ever comes out (if at all), it will be at least 15 years too late. Incidentally my parents were typical Saab buyers (loyal in other words) from about 1972 to 1997. My mother wanted a smaller car, Saab had nothing, so she bought (you guessed it) an Audi A3! No chance of her now returning to Saab, what lack of foresight on the part of GM!

2) A small coupe to compete directly with the Audi TT. Based on the 9-3 perhaps. This car could even revive the 'Sonnet' badge from Saab's past.

3) An SUV no larger than a BMW X3/Audi Q5.

4) Keep developing the 9-3 and 9-5 segment ranges. They are well established in this area, so keep at it.

5) A premium supermini+ size car a little like the 96 model of the 60's/70's.

6) Keep developing the 4 wheel drive system to be used throughout the range, along with the bioethanol fuel.

Are you listening GM?? I have just stated the bloody obvious have I not?

In addition to the above, Saab should look seriously at a return to the world rally championship. This would have to be undertaken in a big way with big budgets. It would pay off surely, as it did for Subaru?

The hardest part for Saab would be finding a new design language, and I'm not really clever enough to say what form that should take!!

What do the rest of you think?

Quattro369 November 28, 2008 10:54 AM

ZM... Agree with ya. The SAAB 'A3' would have been easy to produce and just want people in Europe want - massively increasing SAAB annual sales. It could have been made to look totally different to the Astra, just like the Golf/A3/Leon/Octavia do. It would actually have reduced their costs for the Astra too with economies of scale. Apparently this model (9-1) is planned now but it looks like i may be too late...

Ordinary Bloke.. Didnt the managers of the 'Big Three' all turn up to meet Barack Obama for crisis talks, having been flown there in there private jets? Thats how seriuos they are about saving money!

I think it would be a shame to see SAAB go as they have such a rich heritage and great potential. I wonder if the Swedish Goverment will step in to save them if necessary...?

W124 November 28, 2008 11:09 AM

This has actually depressed me.  I'll buy Saab. I've got a crumpled fiver in my pocket...

It will be interesting to see what goes on - whether any government will nationalise (or re-nationalise) any car company.  What would the Spanish do if Seat were to be offloaded?  

Rover could have been saved.

Ah well....

ThwartedEfforts November 28, 2008 12:02 PM

Bought a 9000 CSE Turbo with bugger all miles, fully stamped up Saab history and working everything for less than £800 a few weeks back.

Have been stunned at how nicely put together it all is, and how solid and secure it feels. No rust, no dents, still has the original dealer's plates front and rear. Everything working from the leccy windows to the climate control. No, it's not as sharp as the equivalent 5-Series, but not everyone writes for Autocar - it's nice to have something that travels over bumps rather than into them. A massive fuel tank means it goes 600 miles between stops, and 14 years after it was made it's still getting close to 40mpg on a trip.

Car tax is cheap. Tyres are cheap. The turbo makes for strain-free overtaking and general lolloping about. Can be tickled by numerous Saab specialists to produce over 220bhp with very little money spent. No idea why you'd want a new one - maybe building all the old ones properly* is the problem here, not GM at all :-D

* I'm sure a few 900 owners would disagree!

Schinbone November 28, 2008 3:40 PM

It is to bad that they do not kill Buick instead of Saturn. I guess they will not kill Buick as the Chinese seem to love them. As the good Mr Cropley says, Saturn was/is just starting to make it self into a desirable brand. Some blame the unions and while they didnt exactly help, I blame the bean counters. They poured mostly garbage into our trough over here and expected us to feed on it. Once people realized there were cars not made of bits of gaffers tape and bubble gum they started defecting buy the truck load. I currently own a Gm product (GMC Yukon) and it is well sorted for its size and put together well. Niggles are the interior bits, very hard plastic everywhere and a seat memory function that has Alzheimer's. It has tons of kit and rides and handles astonishingly well for its girth. My point is if they had spent the time, money and effort to make the rest of their products (other than trucks, which they do very well) this well, they wouldnt be over in Washington humiliated and begging for money. They lost their way somehow and forgot if you do not build a good/competitive product no one will come to see you for their next vehicle. I do hope they have learned a lesson and after this is over we do not have to eat garbage any more.

One last thing, I cannot figure out why Ford feels they have to change their cars for our (US) market. The Mondeo is brilliant. I guess they do not believe most us could wrap our heads around a car that is well put together, stylish, and handles well. ?

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