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Thu
Nov 13 2008

Let’s make car TV boring again

James Ruppert

I don’t think I’m going to be contradicted too strongly when I say that the Top Gear TV show is a good thing. It’s proper blokes’ TV – okay, adolescent TV – and all the better for it.

C63AMG-SPRICE-014 It’s certainly a blessed relief compared to the usual celeb airheads rubbish.

Yet despite the fact we all love watching caravans explode and stars understeering their way around the track in Chevrolets, the big problem with modern TG is that it’s got pretty much nothing to do with cars.

So much as I prefer what I’d call ‘post Goffey’ Top Gear, it does lead to a generalised view that all motoring enthusiasts are superficial morons who want nothing more than to see supercars screeching sideways on a runway.

Surfing other channels confirms that other TV offerings are similar: gimmicky ideas and over-glib presenters, mostly chosen for the shine of their teeth rather than their in-depth knowledge of 1970s British Leyland products.

The thing is, I’d love to see a good, dull, old-fashioned motoring show again. I’d like to know how easy it is to park the Daihatsu Materia, or to watch a 20 minute comparison test between full-sized executive saloons, conducted by a bloke wearing sensible slacks and talking with the soothing cadences of a supply teacher.

Hell, I’d just like to be able to watch and to know how good – or otherwise – a new car actually is.

Pretty daring suggestion, huh? But it would mean that when the Great British public get to see cars they see them in context, rather than on an airfield (or half way through the Arctic tundra.)

So let’s bring back boring car TV. The programme should be called ‘Crawler Gear’, to emphasise its different-ness from all the other types of gear. And as for who should present it: I’ve still got a pair of sensible slacks somewhere in my wardrobe.

 

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

Comments

TegTypeR November 13, 2008 4:38 PM

With the rise of the "new media" on the good old wibbly wobbly web, we already have this type of program in our midst.

Go to www.autocar.co.uk/video and that will give you all you are looking for!

Seriously though, you are right.  A good old fashioned TV program would go down well.  Autocar have got the team and 'Dave' are now making their own productions, why not give it a go.

I'll happily join in if you need some assistance.

weenedonpetrol November 13, 2008 4:53 PM

Actually, I reckon that TegTypeR has got it very nearly right.  Why cannot we have an Autocar TV show?  It could go out on the Men

and Motors channel.

I too could lend s hand.  I do have an in-depth knowledge of 70’s Leyland cars, but I do draw the line having to wear brown crimpaline strides.  People might think we’re a bunch of nerds!

Lee23404 November 13, 2008 5:04 PM

I agree. As entertaining as Top Gear is I wouldn't actually watch it to find out how good any given car actually is.

There are a couple of programmes on sky which kind of do what you are looking for. Theres Maxi Test on Motors TV (Ch413). Its OK but there is only one new episode a month, its dubbed from French and can be very French biased.

There's also Drive It! on DW TV which is a german channel (Ch 794). It is again dubbed in to english. Its a bit less bias that Maxi Test and can be quite entertaining and informative in a very dry German sort of way. Anyway they're worth a try, at least once.

The Apprentice November 13, 2008 5:41 PM

Could not agree more, programmes like TG dismiss the actual cars us poor mortals have to buy (and are therefore interested in) in a blink. Most the other car programmes try to copy and often show dubious erm.. financially led editorial bias lets say. (hardly going to rip into a car that the maker has paid a £100K advert during the break!)

Up in the high channels of Sky where no one goes there is Audi.tv channel... more than enough Vorsprung for anyone, no thanks. Used to be a great program called Auto Mondial that featured some bloke droning on over car show reviews - sent me to sleep quicker than Pride & Prejudice.

Some proper bums on seats group tests, lets see the passenger sitting holding a decibel meter in the air, lets see someone getting a 2 weeks holiday suitcase in the boot, lets strap kids in the back and see if a bit of lean really makes them chuck up....lets see.

theop November 13, 2008 5:53 PM

Would be difficulty to sell.... Too much free info available through internet/ youtube etc and any petrolhead would be bored by a regular TV program featuring the new Clio 1.4 vs Fiesta dci....  And lets face it, the ordivary public non car nuts do not watch car shows at all. In fact I 'd dare say most people in the street cannot even tell what car they are sitting in while driving it.

Phinehas November 13, 2008 6:09 PM

Good theory, but poor seller, I fear. The average oik does just want sideways stuff.

theonlydt November 13, 2008 6:28 PM

Topgear or Fifth Gear? - It has to be Topgear anytime.

I wouldn't watch anything but Topgear, not for the sideways action (nor the "star"), but for the comedy value and the fact that occasionally they do do proper road tests. If I want serious road tests I have the internet and magazines. I watch TV for entertainment - so basically just Topgear :)

Zeddy November 13, 2008 6:56 PM

I'm with you on this one James.

I used to salivate whilst watching the annual motorshow special with Noel Edmonds et al.

God knows we have ebough niche programming such as "Celebrity Holiday home improvement years younger faddy eater" that the schedule could accommodate a proper motoring program that concentrates on what your average car buyer wants to see/hear about.

Lets have a normal middle aged bloke who knows about cars and the trade.

You aren't in talks with anyone James, are you?

MarkusMorelli November 13, 2008 7:09 PM

This article reminds me of the Scuderia Spider. When the hardtop was launched I was wondering what would I like more. A hardcore Scuderia or a F430 Spider. And I was sure that - if they would make it (and I was sure they would not but I was wrong) the Scuderia Spider would be the top for me. And now that this combination is reality this car doesn`t come right to me. But beneath it all lies an important lesson - there is no prefect combination so enjoy what you have. OK there might be a need for proper car shows but - If you are really so interested into the small differences between an Insignia and a Mondeo even if you are not interested into buying one it would be a good idea to either reevaluate your life or become some sort of mechanic because you are definitely a car nut and you could make some money out of it. These cars are boring per se. You buy them because you have to and not because you want to so to me ... I would pass a car show like this but if there is need or wish let it be. And by the way to me the Autocar video of the Insignia in Istanbul is the definition of journalistic lazyness and lack of ideas. Sorry only my opinion.

James Ruppert November 13, 2008 7:52 PM

Hello Zeddy, I'm not even in talks about talks, but i am glad that everyone is so interested in this. Over the years I have been involved at all levels with more than Car TV show which includes the best known one and not just when it was PC. In fact I resigned from a Channel 4 show which dumbed down so much I felt embarrassed to be involved. I wrotet that Autocar TV may be the future was edited out so I will risk my knuckles being rapped and say that Autocar TV or something like it could be a way forward.

Casanova November 13, 2008 8:52 PM

I'd watch!  It wouldn't be anywhere near as mass-market as Top Gear (ironic really, that the show about mass-market cars should be a niche, and the show about rarefied stuff should be so mainstream!).  But I think it would certainly find an audience.

Bear in mind that average Graham Carbuyer does have unlimited access to internet reviews and information, but really just wants someone to tell him what to buy - one of the reasons Autocar's informative and no-nonsense format has endured and been so popular for over a century.

I'd like to see it happen.  One thing that I'd personally add would be an angle on older cars too, something that (yourself aside) Autocar sometimes, not always, forgets.  A bit like Wheeler Dealers, Deals on Wheels, and other Brewer's fayre.

The problem would be that in TV there is pressure for ratings, so every motoring programme is pressured to mimic Top Gear, when they would usually be better off being what they are.

KevH08 November 13, 2008 9:01 PM

Speaking of Top Gear, anyone remember the Fezza 612 race to the Swiss Alps, anyone know the song he had on going up the mountain? If anyone doesn't remember it, i'll sing a bit, but let you have a bit of trivial first, see if u can remember the episode

W124 November 13, 2008 9:06 PM

I think there must be a happy medium - I was watching TG the other day and looking at the new website they have got.  It struck me that they really have overcooked it a bit.  I think hubris might get the better of them.  James (Ruppert) as usual makes an excellent point.  Also they clearly hate each other now... Like a rock band on the fourth album.  It could only go downhill from the jet powered crash.

I think the thing that made TG work was the way all three presenters look and interact on film - there must be a way of creating a show that looks good and is also of some use.  

Myself I was thinking today I'd like to see (or rather hear) an Autocar radio station - (very cheap in comparison to even web TV) playing driving tunes and generally sodding about (interviewing people like Jack Bruce about standout crashes) but a web based Autocar TV slot is a good idea - you just need somebody who looks interesting on film to  present, the whole thing has to look good (or have a look of some kind)as you are going to need advertising revenue - can't scare anyone away.

Perhaps all TG have done is prepare the way for somebody to take the concept further.

theonlydt November 13, 2008 10:00 PM

I disagree on them "hating" each other - I think they're three good friends who treat each other like a lot of men do with their friends; by ripping it constantly.

I definitely agree on the topgear website being pretty awful. I come here for car information!

Autocar radio station could be a cracking idea - as long as adverts (the bane of radio life) were controlled and DJs not obsessed with the sound of their own voices could be found. The occasional car news, "1 minute car review - used and new" could be pretty good.

Give Topgear their credit where they deserve it; they review our motoring heritage ("did BL ever make a good car?" etc) - they discuss some new cars and provide a very blunt point of view; because they can. Whereas a smaller organisation/show may careful not to upset a manufacturer in case they're not allowed to review anymore of their cars. As Topgear proved (with Rover) if someone does this they'll just be made to look more stupid. They give opinion, blunt and sometimes exaggerated or mis-informed, but they have more power to do that compared to some sources who will pussyfoot around a truly dreadful car just to appease a car maker.

Kev88 November 13, 2008 10:22 PM

I mentioned the exact same concept to a friend on monday morning during our usual TG chat. I think there's definitely a place on the satellite channels for just such a show. All you would need to do is expand the Autocar TV items a little and you could get enough to fill half an hour or so.

Sometimes we really DO need to see information about a normal run of the mill car rather than something expensive going sideways.

ordinary bloke November 13, 2008 10:53 PM

I'm with all the others who want a "sensible" motoring programme that is more about the cars than the presenters seen through clouds of tyre smoke. Please could we also get away from the camera concentrating on the "talking head" rather than showing what he's actually talking about - there's an old saying, "a picture speaks a thousand words".

W124 November 13, 2008 11:28 PM

I reckon they hate each other...

Kee Law November 14, 2008 1:10 AM

boring car tv?

go to the sister site www.whatcar.com.  standard format car reviewing for any car there.  a little short, but this is what you guys want.  just like their mag it is consumer driven not enthusiast driven.

macaroni November 14, 2008 8:18 AM

I completely disagree!

I would hate a "boring" car show that actually reviewed cars like the Daihatsu whatever and a 20 min slot comparing exectuive saloons sounds deathly dull.

I love Top Gear for its irreverence. I love the pointless "races" and hooning about. It is putting the fun into driving when everyone else seems to want to demonize it.

There were 2 highlights in recent memory, the Veyron vs Typhoon drag race - completely ludicrous but mesmerising, and the Caparo T1 lap - it annihilated everything else and wasn't even production ready.

Or would you prefer an in-depth analysis of the boot space in a Daihatsu Materia (that's the one.)?

Colonel Snappy November 14, 2008 8:48 AM

"It’s certainly a blessed relief compared to the usual celeb airheads rubbish."

The problem is that TG has itself become celeb airhead rubbish, in particular the toe-curlingly awful "star in a reasonably priced car". If JC wants to drool over celebs in an embarrasingly matey manner, couldn't he be given another show in which to do it? And my other beef with TGTV is that it's so dumbed down - is it not possible to have a show that is both intelligent and entertaining? Clarkson's piece on the CLK Black in the last series was superb - we need more like that please!

TheOmegaMan November 14, 2008 12:51 PM

A diesel supermini comparison road test would bore the hell out of me. I don't aspire to owning cars like that, and the people who do don't deserve a programme for them.

I thought C4's Driven was quite a good show in its earlier days with James May, Penny wotserface and Mike secondhand guy. I remember a really cool test between the M3 evo, some Scooby and the Audi S4, where they looked at how fast they could do a slalom and corner speeds and stuff. Even a Focus v Golf v Astra test was made interesting with their test to see which could carry the highest speed round a bend of a particular radius to simulate a slip road.

Yeah, bring that back I say. It declined when that mirror gazer Plato joined, yawn.

Beowolf November 16, 2008 11:25 AM

Generally, yes, I despise elements of TG: Clarkson is the only motoring journalist I really dislike, and I nearly always walk away and try to find something else to do when it's time for the star in the car.  I do like watching the three old men laughing and pratting about, but hate them playing up to lowest denominator England - much like the Sun newspaper.  I prefer 5th gear, though in order to compete, they've started messing around too...

Baron Biggins November 18, 2008 11:30 PM

I live in the US and have to live with Motor Week (www.pbs.org/.../motorweek).  It's the automotive television equivalent to mogadon.

I'd take TG anytime... heck I might even watch 5th Gear!

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